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VetBoyZR1
07-30-03, 12:05 AM
Based on the following report at TireRack.com, I concluded the new Y rated tires had a higher speed rating than the Z rated tires. Someone else showed me a report that indicated the Y was good to 186, but the Z was rated to 255. This info is very contradictory, and I was wondering if any of you had anything to add. Not that anyone will ever drive that fast, it is just bugging me that this is so unclear. Read and discuss among yourselves:
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Speed Rating

P195/60R15 87S - The tire speed rating (S) is the maximum speed for which the tire is rated. For example, the “S” rating identifies speeds up to 112 mph (180 km/h).

It is important to note that speed ratings only apply to tires that have not been damaged, altered, under-inflated or overloaded. Additionally, most tire manufacturers maintain that a tire that has been cut or punctured no longer retains the tire manufacturer’s original speed rating, even after being repaired.
In Europe, where selected highways do not have speed limits and high speed driving is permitted, speed ratings were established to match the speed capability of tires with the top speed capabilities of the vehicles to which they are applied. Speed ratings are established in kilometers per hour and subsequently converted to miles per hour (which explains why speed ratings appear established at “odd” mile per hour increments). Despite the tire manufacturer’s ability to manufacturer tires capable of high speeds, none of them recommend the use of their products in excess of legal speed limits.

Speed ratings are based on laboratory tests where the tire is pressed (to reflect its required load) against a large diameter metal drum and run at ever increasing speeds (in 6.2 mph steps in 10 minute increments) until the tire’s required speed has been met.

Speed Rating - Miles/Hour - Kilometers/Hour - Typical Use N=87 MPH, 140km/h, Spare Tires U=124 MPH, 200km/h
P=93 MPH, 150km/h H=130 MPH, 210km/h, Sport Sedans
Q=99 MPH, 160km/h, Winter, LT Tires V=149 MPH, 240km/h, Sports Cars
R=106 MPH, 170km/h, LT Tires Z=149 MPH, 240km/h and over, Sports Cars
S=112 MPH, 180km/h W=168 MPH, 270km/h, Exotic Sport Cars
T=118 MPH, 190km/h Y=186 MPH, 300km/h, Exotic Sport Cars


*Today, the Z-speed rating is the only speed rating that is still branded “within” the tire size, as in P225/50ZR16. All other speed ratings are shown in the tire’s service description.

When Z-speed rated tires were first introduced, they were thought to reflect the highest speed rating that would ever be required. Since that time the automotive industry has found it necessary to add W- and Y-speed ratings (indicated in the tire’s service description) to identify the tires that meet the needs of new vehicles that have extremely high, top speed capabilities.
Miles/Hour Kilometers/Hour
P225/50ZR16 149+ 240+
P225/50ZR16 91W 168 270
P225/50ZR16 91Y 186 300


While all Z-speed rated tires are capable of speeds of 149 mph and above, prior to the W- and Y-speed ratings were identified in the service, how far above 149 mph was not identified.

Prior to 1991, the most popular speed ratings were “S,” “H” and “V.” However, while the speed capabilities of S- and H-rated tires still indicate the same speeds as before, the V-speed rating has been modified. Previously a V-speed rated tire with the “V” branded “within” the tire size indicated that the tire was capable of 130+ miles per hour as indicated below:
Miles/Hour Kilometers/Hour
P225/50SR16 112 180
P225/50HR16 130 210
P225/50VR16 130+ 210+


Today’s new V-speed rated tires are always identified in the tires service description:
Miles/Hour Kilometers/Hour
P225/50R16 91V 149 240

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Also notice, if your Z or other high speed rated tire is ever damaged and repaired, it no longer meets the requirements of the speed rating when the tire was new.

C5pilot
07-30-03, 03:09 AM
Found this at www.tiresafety.com


**Any tire with a speed capability above 149 mph(240(kph) can, at the tire manufacturer's option, include a "ZR" in the size designation (P275/40ZR17). If a service description IS NOT included with the size description, the tire manufacturer must be consulted for the maximum speed capability(P275/40ZR17--speed capability is >149mph). If a service description IS included with the size description, the speed capability is limited by the speed symbol in the service description (P275/40ZR17 93W = maximum speed 168 mph(270kph).)

Note: the service description is located AFTER the size, such as P275/40ZR17 93W.

Carl, perhaps the 255mph listed in the Hypertech manual suggests that is where their programming will set the speed limiter. If so, they should have stated it that way. Either way, the tire industry's poor planning left them in a bind for higher letters as speed increases. Holding onto the 149+ rating is just confusing matters now that there are (seemingly) higher ratings (W,Y) and they should drop anything stamped "+".

Al Betz
07-31-03, 06:26 PM
Check the Goodyear Website

http://www.goodyear.com/gov/policetires/speed.html

For a good description of all the symbols and speed ratings. They say:

Speed ratings are indicated as follows:

SPEED SYMBOL MAXIMUM SPEED
Q 99 MPH/160 KPH
S 112 MPH/180 KPH
T 118 MPH/190 KPH
U 124 MPH/200 KPH
H 130 MPH/210 KPH
V (w/o service description) Above 130 MPH/210 KPH
V (with service description) Above 149 MPH/240 KPH
W 168 MPH/280 KPH
Y 186 MPH/310 KPH
Z Above 186 MPH/310 KPH

VetBoyZR1
08-01-03, 10:38 AM
Who said this information was confusing? This STINKS!
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