Yo Al Betz... Thanks alot for helping me!@!

[YO-EL]

Just wanted to say thanks to ol' analytical Al Betz for coming to the tower to accompany me to dispute a losing time slip, which indeed was a technical computer error, and the track did approve a re-run, but it was too late... ;www :mad:

For those who weren't there, I won't post the tech specs on the slip, but just think about this:

I dial a 12, the other guy a 13, so he's leaving a second before me.

My light is 2/10 better than his....

He takes the stripe, by over 4/10, and runs 2/10 OVER his dial.

I'm still at mid track when he crossed, and broke out by only .08.

Go figure! :confused: ;at ;se ;td

I was sandbagging, but was running consistent 11.92's.
This guy KILLED me, and I'm thinking this kid doesn't know what he's doing running an 11.5 while dialing a 13.

I was in shock as I took the ticket. It just couldn't be!
Al confirmed this with track officials in the tower.

How could a guy cut a light 2/10 WORSE than me, run 2/10 OVER his number, and beat me to the stripe by almost 5/10, while I break out by .08??? Ain't no way friends.......;nn

Needless to say, by the time it was squared away, it was too late. No rerun, no point for a win that should have been mine ;www

Walter, the track announcer, who was in on all this, said as he called the race & watched the numbers, he KNEW something wasn't right. The track is sending the slip to compulink for analysis, because they too want to know what part of their system had the glitch & failed.

Walter then gave me a Summit Racing hat as a consolation gift.
He is a good dude... (But I know he's still jonesin to call me Ellis Red... haha)

I much would have rather gotten the approved re-run, (if it wasn't too late), or be placed in the 4th round, or at least be awarded the point for a race that I technically won, although the time slip didn't indicate it.

OK, lesson learned. Review your time slips ASAP! If you feel there is a discrepency, go IMMEDIATELY to the tower for clarification.

I felt as I approached our race organizers to review the slip, I was considered to be a whiner & complainer.

However the track personnel in room 104 are there to help.;yn

Let me add one more thing, it ain't whining if its legitimate.
An error was made, but too late on my part to have it corrected.

Some guys said I was bitchin & moaning. Hey, if I get beat, I get beat, and as angry as I might get, I NEVER complain about it!

Today, Al & I saw a valid technical discrepency, and tried to bring it to the forefront. The track acknolowedged it, but just too late to help the cause of yours truely...;www

OK, rant over. Thanks again AL...
I will forward you a copy of the slip for your further analysis!

I appreciate you coming to the tower with me.

Ellis

[Tony B.96LT4]

If the timing lights were off as they appear to be then I'm wondering if you really did break out on that run!

[YO-EL]

Tony...

As I ponder this further, might it be that my tree went off 2 or 3 seconds after the other guy instead of the 1 second dial differential?

That might explain his incredible MOV, given all the other #'s on the slip..???

[REDGAR]

Ellis, I am sorry that I may have been a bit judgemental when you came to me with the time slip. Too much math for me to try to figure out on the spot.

The slip said you got beat by about 4/10s to the stripe, which think you agree with and you showed me a ticket where you had broken out. So you lose by two methods and you ask me to analyze hundredths of a second. Sorry to disapoint you, I am not that good at the on the spot math plus you confirmed two major portions of the slip.

So you confirmed that you saw what is on the ticket and you still try to find a loophole to win.

I don't know how the software calculates MOV in all instances. I did not write it nor do I support it. I personally never look at it that deep to find a pattern for my own analysis. However, I can tell you what I see on the printouts I get from the track.

Your opponent dialed 12.95 on runs before you and 13.00 on your run. Nothing on his 5 runs indicates his car is faster than that. On your run, he hit the brakes. It is ovbious becasue his MPH against you was 87.40 when he had been around 106 - 109 and 13.0x all day long, (he acutally beat Al in round 2). Based on that, I don't think he broke out at all and definitely not by more than you which would be the only way that the run was wrong unless you don't believe you ran as quick as you did and your ET is off.

So what I am left with looking at, is that the MOV number looks wierd. Since I don't know how the program figures the MOV when one driver crosses first and the other breaks out (maybe some special formula we have not looked at) I don't know there is a problem.

Think about this, well over 1000 runs were recorded today, why is it yours that is wrong when you visually confirmed he beat you by about the 4/10s that is on the slip and you ran what you said you ran?

Again sorry I did not do more, I just did not see there was a case to do more. If I am wrong and there is something wrong with the computer at RP than it is not just you who got hosed, all 70 drivers got hosed.

[YO-EL]

Yo Ed...

I understand all you're saying, and actually, I want to apologize for asking you to look at the slip.

I know as the organizer, you & Mackey have other things on your minds that you are dealing with, and I realize now that if there is a question to go directly up to the tower...

Anyway, 70 racers didn't get hosed. Just I did..

Ed & Walter took about 20 minutes going over the slip, figuring & calculating etc, & Ed also pulled out 2 large loose leaf notebooks, looking at charts & graphs etc, and did conclude something wasn't right with the run. So much so that they made a copy of the slip & are sending it to their Compulink service for further interpertation...

Anyway, you KNOW Al & I would not have been in the tower if we didn't feel there was a legitimate problem. There obviously was, and it was recognized by the track who said to try to find the other guy for a rerun.

Again, Walter & other people in the tower were sctratching their heads BEFORE we came up because they knew something just didn't look right with that run's numbers.

Anyway, bro, I appreciate you trying to assist in the pits, but I know it really isn't your job. The people in the tower are there to help & assist us with these issues..

I know I lost a point & a chance to advance, and without doing a re-run, nothing can be gained, but I did learn a lesson that if there is ever a question, go DIRECTLY to the tower.

Mistakes can & DO happen, as rare as they might be, they still pop up one in 10,000 races we were told...

Hey, maybe I should play the lottery!;yn

[Al Betz]

No Problem El.

Actually guys John Mackey lost with a similar although not as obvious time discrepancy. John should have gotten a rerun too.

Check those time slips folks!

[YO-EL]

AL is right...

CHECK your time slips, and if you have ANY concerns, GO INTO THE STAGING LANES & proceed right up to the tower for assistance!

Edgar & Mackey have enough going on trying to run the event.

For time slip questions GO DIRECTLY to the tower!

I did the math, and based on the numbers, I actually should have been AHEAD of my opponent by over 2 tenths at the 1000' mark!

There was NO way possible that he could have gained 6/10 in 300', going 29 mph SLOWER than I was going.
(85 mph to my 114 mph)

Anyway, its good that the track realized this & granted a rerun, but I am now more concerned that before Al & I even came up, they recognized something wasn't right on the run, but didn't radio anyone or make an announcement for me & the other driver to come to the tower...

I remember when I broke out against a driver who broke down, and my slip said I won, they came to get me & told me to come up to the tower where I was told I lost due to an unwritten rule that they abide by, that if a racer stages but doesn't finish, he automatically gets a 29 second ET. When I ran it out thinking it was a freebie, I lost..

Why didn't anyone come to get me this time??????

It was apparent to the officials in the booth who saw the RT's, that I had a 2/10 advantage. They knew something was up when he finished .463 AHEAD of me, and didn't break out by a mile...while I did break out by .08 !!!

You don't need to be a math major to see that blooper!!

It was obvious that my tree started much later than the 1 second programmed differential.....

Hummmmmmmmmm...

Anyway, CHECK YOUR SLIPS, and if you question ANYTHING,
GO TO THE TOWER!!!!!

When are all these losing & learning lessons going to stop?

I am ready to start learning lessons while WINNING.. haha!
Is there such a thing?

At this rate, I feel like I am going to graduate with honors... ugggggg!